Wow what kind of idiot left a link open or something on your page at this page i found http://www.valhallalegends.com/default2.asp found cvs or whatever the fuck its called link which had the source to all your project & bnls SOURCE CODE FUCK YA NO MORE war3 bots on BNLS i have the bnls source code now I said Fuck You guys im releasing this to the public SO anyway someone wanna help me get a war3 bot running on non-bnls?
uh huh.
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Observation 1: Release it to the public and Skywing can invoke copyright protection.
Observation 2: Your obtaining of source code wouldn't prevent clients from connecting to BNLS.
Oberservation 3: Whoop-dee-doo.
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No fucking way. Screenshot, or some other form of proof?
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Good enough homO!
So what kind of hashing method does WC3 use?
Things I immediately saw wrong with that screenshot:
1. "My Computer" appears in the status window of Internet Explorer in your screenshot. Usally when you naviagte through web directories the status bar will change...
2. The color scheme of file listings in your screenshot don't match the one's used by [vL].
3. skywing != Skywing
4. All uploads took place exactly 8 months ago, were intially added, and were revision v1.1. What about updates?
5. Why would the downloads of these files be located in the public folder? Or better yet, why would they even be listed online?
Would have made a decent April Fool's joke if you would have waited a few more days...
i find it funny how everything is 1.1 revision and 8 months old......
didn't yoni also help in the efforts in some of the scource code and files? so owouldn't yoni's name be in there somewhere? thats what i'm curious about.
it's probably a typical annoyance denial likes to pull off to try to look big.
Quote from: LoRD`NiKKoN on March 26, 2004, 12:36 AM
i find it funny how everything is 1.1 revision and 8 months old......
didn't yoni also help in the efforts in some of the scource code and files? so owouldn't yoni's name be in there somewhere? thats what i'm curious about.
it's probably a typical annoyance denial likes to pull off to try to look big.
I'm sure Yoni help, but that doesn't mean he has to commit it to CVS. It looks like Skywing just committed whatever code for BNLSthey had at the time and didn't bother with it further; a sign that they don't use CVS(?). This is of course assuming what Denial has posted is in fact real.
Anything there is probably useless.
My prediction: ban and trashed thread.
[00:49:03] psychspy1: and idiots are going to go crazy like "whoa, where can i get this"
[00:49:15] psychspy1: before a vL member finally closes the topic
A few other things:
Not all .cpp files have accompanying .h files.
BotNet has nothing to do with BNLS, so why there would be BotNet.h and BotNet.cpp is beyond me.
The design of the window makes it look like he dragged an HTML file into the Explorer window, which is why My Computer still is listed in the status bar. The Address Bar gives it away.
Ooh and I like this:
[00:49:03] psychspy1: and idiots are going to go crazy like "whoa, where can i get this"
[00:49:15] psychspy1: before a vL member finally closes the topic
Proof that he does not have it. Circumstantial perhaps - but you idiots who are reading it, make sure you consider this statement.
oh and this appears to be some new webbot their working on
www.battlecenter.net/webbot.gif
Quote from: Denial on March 26, 2004, 01:16 AM
oh and this appears to be some new webbot their working on
www.battlecenter.net/webbot.gif
You have entirely too much free time on your hands.
Quote from: Denial on March 26, 2004, 01:16 AM
oh and this appears to be some new webbot their working on
www.battlecenter.net/webbot.gif
You might want to note that project is not nearly half completed yet, so it's fairly useless...
personally i think someone should die and rid the world of his ignorance ;)
Quote from: LoRD`NiKKoN on March 26, 2004, 01:34 AM
personally i think someone should die and rid the world of his ignorance ;)
You mean like a suicide bomber?
Quote from: Spht on March 26, 2004, 01:25 AM
Quote from: Denial on March 26, 2004, 01:16 AM
oh and this appears to be some new webbot their working on
www.battlecenter.net/webbot.gif
You might want to note that project is not nearly half completed yet, so it's fairly useless...
so what you are saying spht is that he really did get it?
As far as I know it's real, there was a large discussion on botnet last night, but nobody tells me anything anyway :/
8 months old? I believe there were many changes in the past 8 months, so that's probably all old non-working code
Quote from: Myndfyre on March 26, 2004, 01:03 AM
BotNet has nothing to do with BNLS, so why there would be BotNet.h and BotNet.cpp is beyond me.
Actually...
[09:45:16] (BotNet) <To: BNLS> Sup
[09:45:29] (BotNet) <To: BNLS> login ***** ******
[09:45:29] (BotNet) <From: BNLS> Logged in as *****.
[09:45:29] (BotNet) <From: BNLS> Auth password: ************. Owner password: ******.
[09:45:29] (BotNet) <From: BNLS> Total logins: 22711. Logins with this auth password: 4435.
[09:45:29] (BotNet) <From: BNLS> Logins since 03-16-2004 15:42:40: 611.
[09:45:29] (BotNet) <From: BNLS> Commands: info, quickinfo, changeauth <new pass>, changeowner <new pass>, logout/logoff
I will not allow any postings of links to the leaked BNLS codes! Anyone posting such links may be banned from this forum without further warning!
eww@editing my post :(
For those of you that think the code was not leaked here is a sample of it
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and more samples
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ah hell here have some more muahahahaaaaa
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I think you stand a Very good chance of getting banned for this and I highly recommend you stop this code leaking as im sure a lot of hard work went into making the program.
ahahaha ask me if i care as i can create a unlimited accounts on this fucking forum lol if i get banned
AHAHAHA have some MORE!!!!
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As much as id like to have the source codes I would never ever post them and ruin work of others.
Ugh; children :(
Do Skywing and Yoni think that he has the source codes?
Quote from: iago on March 26, 2004, 11:53 AM
Ugh; children :(
Are you refering to me as a child?
Quote from: DaRk-FeAnOr on March 26, 2004, 11:54 AM
Do Skywing and Yoni think that he has the source codes?
Read Raihan's post.
I have. Skywing and Yoni know what their source code looks like and could easily discredit him.
ahahahah suckers you can cut my shit all you want but it will forever live here
http://www.battlecenter.net/upload/upload/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=414&st=0#entry4336
The code that he posted there appears to entirely consist of publicly released source code, mostly from the Documents page of the main site and BotDev. Some of it's even in VB, which I'm pretty sure the BNLS server is not.
Quote from: Stealth on March 26, 2004, 02:02 PM
The code that he posted there appears to entirely consist of publicly released source code, mostly from the Documents page of the main site and BotDev. Some of it's even in VB, which I'm pretty sure the BNLS server is not.
I noticed that as well, I thought it was just me. :P
Quote from: hismajesty on March 26, 2004, 03:03 PM
Quote from: Stealth on March 26, 2004, 02:02 PM
The code that he posted there appears to entirely consist of publicly released source code, mostly from the Documents page of the main site and BotDev. Some of it's even in VB, which I'm pretty sure the BNLS server is not.
I noticed that as well, I thought it was just me. :P
I noticed but didnt want to say anything incase i was wrong and it made me look like a newb.
Quote from: The-Rabid-Lord on March 26, 2004, 03:55 PM
Quote from: hismajesty on March 26, 2004, 03:03 PM
Quote from: Stealth on March 26, 2004, 02:02 PM
The code that he posted there appears to entirely consist of publicly released source code, mostly from the Documents page of the main site and BotDev. Some of it's even in VB, which I'm pretty sure the BNLS server is not.
I noticed that as well, I thought it was just me. :P
I noticed but didnt want to say anything incase i was wrong and it made me look like a newb.
Well you couldn't look any dumber than the guy starting all of this. My recommendations would be to ignore it and let vL handle it accordingly.
I agree, it's just giving him attention which is what he wants.
Fishy is just some kid trying to make a name for himself. Nothing more.
Quote from: hismajesty on March 26, 2004, 04:06 PM
I agree, it's just giving him attention which is what he wants.
Yeah, fishy seems to be out to get attention and picking a fight. Ignore him. If having a dir listing of a vL cvs repository sitting on his hard drive makes him feel cool, good for him.
I've accounted for pretty much all of the web accesses to the repository, and I highly doubt that we'll see anything more than a file list leaked.
Can somebody check the ip to find out who fishy really is? I doubt he's somebody we've never seen :/
It is denial, but "Denial" was banned from the forum, so he continued to post on his topic under the name "fishy." Pretty obvious.
That doesn't make any sense Feanor. Denial hasn't been banned from the forum from what I can see. Also, "fishy" is posting on the BattleCenter forums. If it was Denial, why wouldn't he just be using his own name?
No idea, but Denial is the only one who "downloaded" the source codes. It makes sense that Denial would post the sources on his own forum, where no moderators can delete it.
First of i would like to state fishy is not me i dunno who the fuck he is nor do i care you should know he doesnt talk like me its probably cele or someone secondly i would like to state hes a fucking moron thirdly i would like to state thats hes a liar and should show proof like this
http://www.battlecenter.net/proof.jpg
That looks like pretty good proof to me.
Quote from: Denial on March 27, 2004, 01:56 AM
First of i would like to state fishy is not me i dunno who the fuck he is nor do i care you should know he doesnt talk like me its probably cele or someone secondly i would like to state hes a fucking moron thirdly i would like to state thats hes a liar and should show proof like this
http://www.battlecenter.net/proof.jpg
eww?
Can somebody who actually has access to the code confirm?
I haven't seen Skywing or Yoni around to either confirm or deny that he has any of the code he says that he has. Do either of them plan on making some sort of a statment?
Fishy != Denial, Denial was idle on AIM at the time :P
Quote from: UserLoser. on March 27, 2004, 08:27 AM
Fishy != Denial, Denial was idle on AIM at the time :P
if you read above i stated above that i wasnt fishy nor do i care who the fuck he is
[sarcasm]What a mature way to handle finding a exploit in the [vL] server...[/sarcasm]
You should actually look from their view; they probably spent a lot of time and effort into making that program, and you just rip off all that benefit to spread it. I hope you feel real accomplished from doing all this, because it's not fair.
http://www.copyright.gov
Edit: This may just as well be his refuge -- a way to simulate his loss and fate of gamerbot; it was leaked to the public.
Quote from: Tron on March 28, 2004, 06:02 AM
You should actually look from their view; they probably spent a lot of time and effort into making that program, and you just rip off all that benefit to spread it. I hope you feel real accomplished from doing all this, because it's not fair.
Sucks for them doesnt it? life sucks get over it knowledge belongs to the public
QuoteEdit: This may just as well be his refuge -- a way to simulate his loss and fate of gamerbot; it was leaked to the public.
uh i released it to public and the source code so uh i guess i leaked it? so why would i be mad about that
Quote from: Denial on March 28, 2004, 09:31 AMknowledge belongs to the
Would you feel the same way if this was about your personal life? Eg, what your name is, what your social security number is, who you screwed last night, how many times you masturbate in a week, what your passwords are, what your income is, your criminal record, etc...?
And I'm not referring to just one or two of those, I'm meaning... would you feel the same way if ALL of that information (and much more) was public knowledge?
Quote from: tA-Kane on March 28, 2004, 11:24 AM
Quote from: Denial on March 28, 2004, 09:31 AMknowledge belongs to the
Would you feel the same way if this was about your personal life? Eg, what your name is, what your social security number is, who you screwed last night, how many times you masturbate in a week, what your passwords are, what your income is, your criminal record, etc...?
And I'm not referring to just one or two of those, I'm meaning... would you feel the same way if ALL of that information (and much more) was public knowledge?
Let's see, most people know my name, I don't have my SSN handy, nobody, can't count that high, no, not enough, blank, etc.
I doubt you could copyright something technically illegal such as BNLS.
Ouch, I can't wait to see replies to that.
First, it's not illegal. Making a bot is not illegal. Yes, it violates their EULA, but that doesn't make it illegal.
Secondly, as soon as somebody writes software it's copyrighted unless they state otherwise. Stealing software = copyright violation.
I welcome somebody else who knows more about this to reply, though :)
Illegal reverse engineering techniques were used to create the BNLS server.
Quote from: Maddox on March 28, 2004, 01:46 PM
Illegal reverse engineering techniques were used to create the BNLS server.
Prove it.
The server? No. Things that violate the Blizzard / Battle.net Terms of Service to implement the logon types? Yes.
Quote from: iago on March 28, 2004, 01:51 PM
Quote from: Maddox on March 28, 2004, 01:46 PM
Illegal reverse engineering techniques were used to create the BNLS server.
Prove it.
Yeah, if you can't prove it you have no case ;D
Quote from: Raihan on March 28, 2004, 02:11 PM
The server? No. Things that violate the Blizzard / Battle.net Terms of Service to implement the logon types? Yes.
Exactly. And I would contend that for each copy of the software you buy, you are buying a separate, distinct agreement. My clan funded my purchase of a second CD key, so we could leave a bot on 24/7. If I am violating the terms of use on that key, then they have the right to deny me service, as I am in fact violating their terms of service agreement. BUT -- they can't deny service to my other key(s), and I can just as well go out and buy a new key.
Quote from: iago on March 28, 2004, 01:28 PM
Ouch, I can't wait to see replies to that.
First, it's not illegal. Making a bot is not illegal. Yes, it violates their EULA, but that doesn't make it illegal.
Secondly, as soon as somebody writes software it's copyrighted unless they state otherwise. Stealing software = copyright violation.
I welcome somebody else who knows more about this to reply, though :)
That is correct, iago. Any work is copyrighted immediately upon the writing -- it doesn't even have to be published. You can register your copyright with the US Copyright Office, but if you can prove that you wrote something, and someone else stole it from you, your case depends on how well you can prove that it is yours.
The thing is, the reversed Warcraft 3 code is copyrighted by Blizzard so any attempt to use it on BNLS is infact, copyright infringement.
The point I was making is that you can't reverse another company's code, call it your own, and copyright it.
Actually there is considerable leeway granted people with respect to reverse engineering. In this case they arent making a competing product so reversing the logon in order to emulate it is perfectly legal.
http://www.digital-law-online.com/lpdi1.0/treatise25.html (http://www.digital-law-online.com/lpdi1.0/treatise25.html)
Edit: Reference included
Quote from: Telos on March 28, 2004, 04:16 PM
Actually there is considerable leeway granted people with respect to reverse engineering. In this case they arent making a competing product so reversing the logon in order to emulate it is perfectly legal.
http://www.digital-law-online.com/lpdi1.0/treatise25.html (http://www.digital-law-online.com/lpdi1.0/treatise25.html)
Edit: Reference included
The reversed code is still copyrighted by the original creater, so I doubt Skywing could say that the war3 logon part of the BNLS code is (C) him and therefore anyone using it is infringing upon his copyright.
How do you know he reversed it? How do you know he didn't obtain the WarCraft 3 algorithms from a Blizzard insider?
Quote from: iago on March 28, 2004, 11:40 AMLet's see, most people know my name, I don't have my SSN handy, nobody, can't count that high, no, not enough, blank, etc.
I was asking Denial, not you :P
But even so, would you feel safe if everyone in the world knew your social security number, your bank account and the associated PIN number, your date of birth, and your parents' full names? Just those together could screw you for life if put in the wrong hands.
Use your SSN to do things in your name. If people ask for your date of birth or your mother's surname as confirmation that you're who you are, then they've got it. Also, with your bank account information(s), people could withdraw a fair amount of your money (if not all).
Of course, you could go to the police with all this, but it's still a BIG hassle if it happens. My mom had this happen to her a few years ago when her purse was stolen, and we're still feeling the affects of it.
Quote from: tA-Kane on March 28, 2004, 05:09 PM
But even so, would you feel safe if everyone in the world knew your social security number, your bank account and the associated PIN number, your date of birth, and your parents' full names? Just those together could screw you for life if put in the wrong hands.
Use your SSN to do things in your name. If people ask for your date of birth or your mother's surname as confirmation that you're who you are, then they've got it. Also, with your bank account information(s), people could withdraw a fair amount of your money (if not all).
Of course, you could go to the police with all this, but it's still a BIG hassle if it happens. My mom had this happen to her a few years ago when her purse was stolen, and we're still feeling the affects of it.
Well, assuming everyone in the world could get access to yours, you could get access to someone else's, and steal things from them.
Money doesn't HAVE to be left in the bank, so if everyone knew your bank code you could just withdraw it and close the account.
As for the parents and date of birth, the easiest way to prevent that is to make a good password that you memorize, or when it asks for your mother's maiden name put one of your more common passwords or something.
He didn't steal any wc3 code...he examined it and wrote his own.
Or Blizzard didn't write it them self and are using other hashing algorithms available on the web!
Sure why not lets see them come to greenland and do this kind of stuff and i dont have a ss we greenlanders dont have that kind of stuff we have snowboard though does that count?
Anyway back to the subject i dont care i have it case closed if you wanna sue me then go right ahead
Besides grok or skywing you guys are hiding why dont you just plainly admit that i have the code this whole silence thing is boring
Im pretty sure i could sell the code on ebay and ebay wouldnt take it off
We all know that Blizzard stole it from Skywing/Yoni. :P
Quote from: hismajesty on March 28, 2004, 05:56 PM
We all know that Blizzard stole it from Skywing/Yoni. :P
Obviously! :P
Quote from: Maddox on March 28, 2004, 03:37 PM
The thing is, the reversed Warcraft 3 code is copyrighted by Blizzard so any attempt to use it on BNLS is infact, copyright infringement.
The point I was making is that you can't reverse another company's code, call it your own, and copyright it.
You have it backwards, Maddox. Reverse-engineering, involving examining how a product works and implementing it yourself, is legal. Using the original source from Blizzard would be illegal, because it would be copyrighted.
If worse comes to worse you could say a little green leprechaun told you, then plead insanity, or intoxication... I wonder how well that would work?