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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: iago on November 17, 2003, 12:46 PM

Title: Getting a Job
Post by: iago on November 17, 2003, 12:46 PM
In the past week I've had three interviews, and I have four more coming, so I thought I would share a little bit of info that I've noticed.

Mainly this: EVERTHING you do is important.

They ask for examples of everything, and be prepared to give them from anywhere in your life, from school to work to online friends, etc.

I have been asked if I had experience with Encryption and Authentication, so I told them about bot development.
I have been asked about Client-Server systems, again I talked about bots and other stuff I've done.
I have been asked about helping others with troubles, I mentioned this forum.
I have been asked about when, how, and how frequently I've done programming outside of schoolwork.
I have been asked for a sample SQL statement, and what a join is
I have been asked about object orientation, like what's the difference between an object and a class, what is inheritance, what is polymorphism, and how are they used?
I was asked when I had reused old code, and I told them about when I updated my Hashtable for Spht.

My point is that almost everything you do may, at some point, relate to helping you find a job some day.  School doesn't teach VB, MS Office, Server-Client systems, Encryption/Authentication, etc, but I have used them all and have been asked to describe my experiences with them.  So don't forget the extra work you've done, because it all comes in handy at some point.

Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Spht on November 17, 2003, 12:50 PM
Did you pronounce my name correctly?
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: iago on November 17, 2003, 12:59 PM
Yes, sfffft

Actually, I didn't use your name, I referred to you as, "A friend."

Another thing I almost forgot to mention:
I was asked about experience with virii, so I mentioned cleaning Klez off my own computer and Blaster off countless computers, and I also talked about some stuff I had read about SQL Slammer, including how it works/transmits/its downfalls.  He actually asked me how I would improve it if I had a chance :)

I was asked about a recent time I had installed a network device, and luckly I had installed and configured a router the day before (thanks tmp! ;))

I was also asked to enumerate network devices, and when I mentioned cable he asked me the difference between crossover and straight through.

Again, none of that stuff involved school work, but it all came into play.
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Spht on November 17, 2003, 01:14 PM
Quote from: iago on November 17, 2003, 12:59 PM
Yes, sfffft

Bah!
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Adron on November 17, 2003, 01:17 PM
Quote from: Spht on November 17, 2003, 01:14 PM
Quote from: iago on November 17, 2003, 12:59 PM
Yes, sfffft

Bah!

speeehat
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Spht on November 17, 2003, 01:35 PM
Quote from: Adron on November 17, 2003, 01:17 PM
Quote from: Spht on November 17, 2003, 01:14 PM
Quote from: iago on November 17, 2003, 12:59 PM
Yes, sfffft

Bah!

speeehat

Wrong. I believe it was warz's friend which was the only one who's ever pronounced it right.
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: iago on November 17, 2003, 04:24 PM
sif-hit?
sip-hit?
xyphet?
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: wut on November 17, 2003, 05:20 PM
es pE Ach tE
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: j0k3r on November 17, 2003, 05:28 PM
Sepht?

[edit]Went off topic, what job are you applying for?[/edit]
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Thing on November 17, 2003, 05:31 PM
My guess is:

spit
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: iago on November 17, 2003, 05:43 PM
Quote from: j0k3r on November 17, 2003, 05:28 PM
Sepht?

[edit]Went off topic, what job are you applying for?[/edit]

Various.  Today was for MPI Software Developer (Manitoba Public Insurance).  Thursday was Manitoba Conversation.  Sometime before that was Manitoba Information Protection, and a couple weeks ago was Suncor.

Coming up, I have a helpdesk position, canada agri-food programmer, department of national defence (working on a simulator), and Merlin.
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Naem on November 18, 2003, 09:13 AM
i'd just pronounce it specific heat
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: hismajesty on November 18, 2003, 01:53 PM
Quote from: Thing on November 17, 2003, 05:31 PM
My guess is:

spit

Guess stealer!
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Hostile on November 19, 2003, 12:04 AM
iago, I could have told you that. Everything you do is important yes, from working with these people you gradually pick up some tech support type skills, including things as may seem useless Office, you there for know word processing and how to use spreadsheets. Its basically once you get to the point where your resume is becomming your life story in which you must now edit out the more important things, also include your most impressive client-server example but don't include 3 that are all the same principle, and if you're looking for an example number of how long your resume should be, unless you're trying for CEO or department manager for this company I would absolutly under no circumstance make this thing over 3 pages, 1 may end up a bit squished and not allow you to use the format you prefere (altought 1 and 1/8 of a page is hardly worth handing in the second page) but generally you should be able to fit everything in 2. And under no circumstances ... oh wait telephones ringing.
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: iago on November 19, 2003, 08:05 AM
Your resume should never be more than two pages, and should outline real work experience/education/technical skills.  Cover letter should outline experience (both technical and soft skills) that are relevent to the job, and shouldn't be more than a page.

The interview, though, is where it becomes important to be ready to list *anything* you've done.
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Hitmen on November 20, 2003, 01:39 PM
What has to suck is when they ask "do you have experiance with x?" and you have to say no. There's always a good chance someone will have everything you do + that. :/
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: iago on November 20, 2003, 04:59 PM
Quote from: Hitmen on November 20, 2003, 01:39 PM
What has to suck is when they ask "do you have experiance with x?" and you have to say no. There's always a good chance someone will have everything you do + that. :/

Well, they usually say to us, "We know this is your first work term, so we don't expect you to have experience with x, but we want somebody who is willing to learn new things."  Then they ask a question about something you've learned on your own, or learned in school, or something like that.
Title: Re:Getting a Job
Post by: Banana fanna fo fanna on November 21, 2003, 08:17 PM
I'm an independant contractor.

Basically my clients say "make it look like this and make it do this. I'll pay for everything."