Reduced to disrespecting the memory of a great woman by insulting the president and making political statements at her freaking funeral??
That is just beyond wrong, and it makes me sick.
Bush goes there to speak about her and honor her memory, and in turn he gets insulted in front of a mass of people as the left-wing idiots turn the whole thing into a political statement.
Props to Slick Willy though, he tried to bring order to the nonsense.
Que paso? I don't know what was said.
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I don't see anything on CNN about protests in Mrs. King's funeral.
I DID, however, find political cartoons:
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2006/01/31/lang/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2006/02/03/lang/index.html
I was going to post about this but you beat me to it DM. Its mind boggling how low the democratic socialist party is willing to go to promote their liberal socialist ideas and attack on our president. They used this woman's funeral for political gain. Might as well stand up on top of her coffin and burn the American flag.
I think Mr. Ed the horse would make a better senator than Mr. Ed Kennedy but that is a whole other issue.
Also you people should do some research about Coretta Scott King, she is not that great of a woman that everyone is making her out to be, she lived off her husbands work and charged royalties every time his speech was played publicly or his works were used. She made bank off of her dead husband who was the real civil rights activist, not her. She did not do much at all.
But yeah... the democrats fell short of slapping a "Hillary for President in 2008" bumper sticker on her coffin.
I doubt she or anyone has ever done as much as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. However, while married to him one would assume she at leasted helped along the way.
I can only imagine how much she made off of Martin Luther King Jr 'merchandise'.
y'all have links to this sstuff?
Can someone link to some information about this? I have no idea what you're all talking about.
I don't really see any debate/potential debate here. This seems to me to a be a "the liberal party sucks" thread, full of hate-filled rhetoric about the democrats. Just keep in mind that, if the situation was reversed, I don't doubt that the conservative party would do the same thing. A politician is a politician.
Perhaps I was wrong in making a broad generalization, but what they did was totally wrong and disrespectful on so many levels, and you can't admit that - that's the problem.
QuoteA politician is a politician
I disagree. Bush did nothing of the sort, and neither did Bill Clinton. Clinton actually tried to remind everyone that they were in a house of God and it was not the place for such talk. Very commendable IMO. Something like this would be just as despicable if Republicans had done it.
iago's post is not very informed...I don't hate liberals. I tend to agree with liberals on certain issues. However, taking their hate for Bush to a great woman's funeral is going way too far, and that was my only point. I'm sorry that you see it as hate.
Why do I always see someone say this "if the situation was reversed"? This is not the 1st time this was said. You see it's not reversed; it always seems to be this way. Bush did not start bashing the democrats they bashed him.
iago: How come you comment on a situation you know nothing about?
Your ignorance helps no one, read about it 1st: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
Quote from: Invert on February 08, 2006, 03:01 AMAlso you people should do some research about Coretta Scott King, she is not that great of a woman that everyone is making her out to be, she lived off her husbands work and charged royalties every time his speech was played publicly or his works were used. She made bank off of her dead husband who was the real civil rights activist, not her. She did not do much at all.
Thank you Invert. I was about to say what the hell has she ever done, but you beat me to it. She's no greater than Ghandi's wife, or Churchill's dog. She was just there and maybe or not supported her husband. But as you say, she certainly lived off his work after that.
They should be using the opportunity to honoring Dr. King and replaying his message, and using this focus to do measurements on the progress of his goals for America.
I don't think Katrina was about race, it was more about social status & mostly about taking care of themselves.
Everybody who could get out left. White people, black people, EVERYONE was trapped there that stayed. It wasn't an issue of race.
As for wire taps, its been done before and will be done again. Hell, FDR went as far as to lock up (sorta) every Japanese person in the country for national security.
I'd WAY rather have some dude listening in on my phone conversations then be moved to Colorado & stuck in some "community" thing.
Her funeral should've just been "thanks for helping your husband, rest in peace now"
Ok, I was just being respectful to Mrs. King anyway. Still, doing that at someone's funeral is a new low.
Quote from: DarkMinion on February 08, 2006, 04:38 PM
Ok, I was just being respectful to Mrs. King anyway. Still, doing that at someone's funeral is a new low.
Word.
She seemed like a decent lady from what I saw about her. She wasn't her husband, but undoubtedly she helped him out. "The woman behind the man" kinda thing I'd spect.
This is not the first time (http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/001/830clrob.asp) the US Democratic Party has used the eulogy stand as a soapbox, nor (I think) will it be the last.
Utterly despicable.
Making the (perhaps unfounded) assumption that Mrs King was politically active, and was fighting for civil rights and racial equality:
This doesn't seem that bad to me. You're all assuming that it's bad, but really, the relevant question is: is it what Mrs King would have wanted? Was she an activist? Would she have approved? Was the Order of Service written or approved by her family?
It seems perfectly sensible to me that Mrs King may have
wanted the publicity that her funeral generated to be used to further her cause.
You're all laying the blame for being 'dispicable' at the feet of the democratic party, who may or may not have had anything to do with it. What really matters is if she and her family approved of the service, and if they did, then you're all bitching about nothing.
That said, very little information has been provided in this thread, so perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick.
Finally, this is not Bush-bashing:
Quote"We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there."
That is a statement of fact, not an ad-hominem attack. Stop asserting that any criticism of Bush is Bush-bashing.
Quote from: Arta[vL] on February 09, 2006, 08:40 AM
Making the (perhaps unfounded) assumption that Mrs King was politically active, and was fighting for civil rights and racial equality:
This doesn't seem that bad to me. You're all assuming that it's bad, but really, the relevant question is: is it what Mrs King would have wanted? Was she an activist? Would she have approved? Was the Order of Service written or approved by her family?
It seems perfectly sensible to me that Mrs King may have wanted the publicity that her funeral generated to be used to further her cause.
You're all laying the blame for being 'dispicable' at the feet of the democratic party, who may or may not have had anything to do with it. What really matters is if she and her family approved of the service, and if they did, then you're all bitching about nothing.
That said, very little information has been provided in this thread, so perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick.
Finally, this is not Bush-bashing:
Quote"We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there."
That is a statement of fact, not an ad-hominem attack. Stop asserting that any criticism of Bush is Bush-bashing.
I think she must've been 'in the game' somewhat, it would be hard I think to be the wife of one of the greatest men in our history and NOT be involved.
It seems quite disrespectful for anyone to being bickering about anything at someone's final farewell. The woman has passed away, it is time to honor her life as it is for most people that die.
I can't believe that she would want people to be bickering about politics at her funeral.
Arta, there were more than one political digs at Bush, by more than one person. It's not the first time the Democrats have turned a funeral into a political pep rally, and it won't be the last.
Quote from: Arta[vL] on February 09, 2006, 08:40 AM
Finally, this is not Bush-bashing:
Quote"We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there."
That is a statement of fact, not an ad-hominem attack. Stop asserting that any criticism of Bush is Bush-bashing.
If it's a statement of fact, it's incorrect. The statement is made absolutely, meaning that it's wrong if there was a single weapon there. We found many, just not what we expected to, which does not preclude the possibility that they were moved out or destroyed in the 6-12 months prior to the invasion when we made it clear that we were coming.
I don't know how media is in GB, Arta, but the story always goes the same here: there were no WMDs, so therefore Bush lied to America to start a war for oil. That is the implication being made here.
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 09, 2006, 09:09 AM
Quote from: Arta[vL] on February 09, 2006, 08:40 AM
Making the (perhaps unfounded) assumption that Mrs King was politically active, and was fighting for civil rights and racial equality:
This doesn't seem that bad to me. You're all assuming that it's bad, but really, the relevant question is: is it what Mrs King would have wanted? Was she an activist? Would she have approved? Was the Order of Service written or approved by her family?
It seems perfectly sensible to me that Mrs King may have wanted the publicity that her funeral generated to be used to further her cause.
You're all laying the blame for being 'dispicable' at the feet of the democratic party, who may or may not have had anything to do with it. What really matters is if she and her family approved of the service, and if they did, then you're all bitching about nothing.
That said, very little information has been provided in this thread, so perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick.
Finally, this is not Bush-bashing:
Quote"We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there."
That is a statement of fact, not an ad-hominem attack. Stop asserting that any criticism of Bush is Bush-bashing.
I think she must've been 'in the game' somewhat, it would be hard I think to be the wife of one of the greatest men in our history and NOT be involved.
It seems quite disrespectful for anyone to being bickering about anything at someone's final farewell. The woman has passed away, it is time to honor her life as it is for most people that die.
I can't believe that she would want people to be bickering about politics at her funeral.
This may be a stupid question, but did you actually READ Arta's post? I see absolutely no relevence in what you said to what he said..
Quote from: iago on February 10, 2006, 10:49 AM
This may be a stupid question, but did you actually READ Arta's post? I see absolutely no relevence in what you said to what he said..
This:
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 09, 2006, 09:09 AM
I think she must've been 'in the game' somewhat, it would be hard I think to be the wife of one of the greatest men in our history and NOT be involved.
Is in reference to this:
Quote from: Arta[vL] on February 09, 2006, 08:40 AMMaking the (perhaps unfounded) assumption that Mrs King was politically active, and was fighting for civil rights and racial equality:
This doesn't seem that bad to me. You're all assuming that it's bad, but really, the relevant question is: is it what Mrs King would have wanted? Was she an activist?
This:
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 09, 2006, 09:09 AM
It seems quite disrespectful for anyone to being bickering about anything at someone's final farewell. The woman has passed away, it is time to honor her life as it is for most people that die.
I can't believe that she would want people to be bickering about politics at her funeral.
Is in reference to this:
Quote from: Arta[vL] on February 09, 2006, 08:40 AMMaking the
Would she have approved? Was the Order of Service written or approved by her family?
It seems perfectly sensible to me that Mrs King may have wanted the publicity that her funeral generated to be used to further her cause.
You're all laying the blame for being 'dispicable' at the feet of the democratic party, who may or may not have had anything to do with it. What really matters is if she and her family approved of the service, and if they did, then you're all bitching about nothing.
....I think I got that all matched up right
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 10, 2006, 12:08 PM
This:
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 09, 2006, 09:09 AM
It seems quite disrespectful for anyone to being bickering about anything at someone's final farewell. The woman has passed away, it is time to honor her life as it is for most people that die.
I can't believe that she would want people to be bickering about politics at her funeral.
Is in reference to this:
Quote from: Arta[vL] on February 09, 2006, 08:40 AMMaking the
Would she have approved? Was the Order of Service written or approved by her family?
It seems perfectly sensible to me that Mrs King may have wanted the publicity that her funeral generated to be used to further her cause.
You're all laying the blame for being 'dispicable' at the feet of the democratic party, who may or may not have had anything to do with it. What really matters is if she and her family approved of the service, and if they did, then you're all bitching about nothing.
....I think I got that all matched up right
That's the part I was referring to. Arta asked if she would have wanted it that way, and you said that she should be honored. Wouldn't it make sense to honor her by fulfilling her wishes?
I can't see how spouting your own political views publically at someone's 'final farewell' is honoring her.
They should do it right and not use her very public funeral as a forum for their politics...wait until later to carry out her wishes
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 10, 2006, 12:23 PM
I can't see how spouting your own political views publically at someone's 'final farewell' is honoring her.
They should do it right and not use her very public funeral as a forum for their politics...wait until later to carry out her wishes
Then you're not looking very hard. It's honouring her if it was her wish for her funeral to be used to help further her cause.
Quote from: Arta[vL] on February 10, 2006, 12:30 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 10, 2006, 12:23 PM
I can't see how spouting your own political views publically at someone's 'final farewell' is honoring her.
They should do it right and not use her very public funeral as a forum for their politics...wait until later to carry out her wishes
Then you're not looking very hard. It's honouring her if it was her wish for her funeral to be used to help further her cause.
I've never seen/heard of a funeral that was meant to be some public forum for people to go and say what they think. That's why press conferences are held, news interviews, books, etc. all take place.
What the fuck? Her cause was not honored in any way by the personal attacks flung by that dumbass reverend and Jimmy. I'm sorry, but I'm not dumb enough to think that Iraq has anything to do with the U.S. Civil Rights movement.
Quote from: DarkMinion on February 10, 2006, 01:01 PM
What the fuck? Her cause was not honored in any way by the personal attacks flung by that dumbass reverend and Jimmy. I'm sorry, but I'm not dumb enough to think that Iraq has anything to do with the U.S. Civil Rights movement.
Iraq, terrorism, wire taps, war, its all related now.
Quote from: DarkMinion on February 10, 2006, 01:01 PM
What the fuck? Her cause was not honored in any way by the personal attacks flung by that dumbass reverend and Jimmy. I'm sorry, but I'm not dumb enough to think that Iraq has anything to do with the U.S. Civil Rights movement.
Then perhaps somebody should post a link or summary of what happened? Arta was pretty clear in his post that he doesn't fully understand the situation, and neither do I.
While giving speeches about her life each 'offender' would throw in a little political message. I believe Carter's was something along the lines of "civil rights, you fought...words...but just goes to show that even in today's world racial equality does not exist fully, example: katrina"
Quote from: DarkMinion on February 10, 2006, 01:01 PM
What the fuck? Her cause was not honored in any way by the personal attacks flung by that dumbass reverend and Jimmy.
I presume that you make that statement based the understanding you gained during your long, profound relationship with Mrs King.
If not, please address my argument, rather than just repeating yours.